The Associated Worlds

bollocks

09:51

thats not good at all

Since the world has been demonstrated to be unstable, what with all the mod adding we've been doing.

09:51

We should call a vote, though.

Oh, no, the breakage was my fault due to some weird permissions errors.

09:51

Not due to more mods.

wat

09:52

I copy the mod updates from my desktop to the server, and for some insane reason get stuck with the UID of my desktop user instead of the server's minecraft user, and for some other insane reason the default permission on them is such that it refuses to read the JARs. So the mod is considered gone, and it breaks.

hrmgl

09:53

How do you copy?

09:53

scp?

Yep.

yeah, it is of a slight dumb

Have you tried SFTP over FileZilla?

09:54

(or just plain SFTP if you're a purist like that)

I'm sure there's some way around it other than just chowning the files afterward (as I forgot to that time).

Yeah, I'm pretty sure SFTP respects server-side uid and umasks.

If we gotta do a full wipe, we gotta do a full wipe

There is no other way to contain The Snarl

@gollark @0111narwhalz @BizarroLand ♀ @Unknown @Xveers https://www.strawpoll.me/17782310

What should we do with the Minecraft server?

Vote Now! [Full recovery of the world (extremely unlikely)] [Partial recovery] [Full world wipe] [Restart from rollback point]

13:20

I think I got everyone who play/has played on the server? Please ping anyone I missed.

Don't! I have a base somewhere!!

Oh dear. We will be so much worse off without your tiny cobble hut.

It's a very nice cobble hut, thanks :p

I need that basr

What does it contain?

14:10

I mean, if people do want a wipe or rollback. I suppose I could do something like giving them one item they had on the previous world, to make starting slightly nicer.

Oh, his base. :P

14:13

I thought you were referring to my factory towers :p

No, those are cool.

Well, if you are offering items, i would accept a single vanilla diamond pick, just to speed along initial construction

14:14

Powerful, useful, but a consumable resource. So not overly gamebreaking

Well, ping me when it gets wiped.

@gollark you want the vote to run for a while longer? It's currently at an overwhelming majority for full wipe, though.

Well, I've started it back up now (without the world files), since that seems to generally be popular.

09:25

I'll probably play less, since I don't really like the earlygame much.

@Unknown

11:18

:V

:^|

@gollark Man you were right about earlygame. I crafted a couple of tools then logged off because of boredom. :/

I could cheat in some midgameish stuff, but that would be cheaty.

'twould indeed

09:47

I suppose earlygame is more fun with multiple people, like we did at the start.

Indeed.

Wait, is the server back up now?

Yes, with a new world.

Alright, cool—I might log in today.

Have there been changes to the mods since the Incident?

15:37

I'm going to assume "no" and see if I get booted. :V

15:43

Alright, I'm in.

15:43

Has anyone scouted a location for the new compound yet?

nope V:

15:54

I could join you in a bit if you want to.

I'm ingame right now, but I'm going to be (briefly?) interrupted in a bit.

@gollark By the way, did you turn on aluminum oregen? V:

16:50

If such a thing is possible.

Well, no, and I'm not certain how. If you haven't explored too much I can work something out, if you really want it.

I'm pretty sure TE has an option.

16:52

@0111narwhalz You want to wipe again to enable aluminum ore?

It's fine, it'll generate in unused chunks.

16:53

I don't actually know how to enable it, as TE does not have an option.

16:54

Can you check if TE/TF aluminium ore is aluminum or aluminium?

stby

16:57

It's aluminum ore.

I've poked some configs, will restart later, this had better work.

@0111narwhalz Ping me when you're back, I'm doing some testing™ :V

the interruption is less brief than I was led to believe

ohaider

17:21

:V

17:24

oh you mean you're still AFK (edited)

17:24

:V

yes

17:24

V:

"soon"

@TotallyNotHuman I'm back now :V

ACK

SYN

I'd like to ask for either keep inventory or a gravestone mod.

Oops!

04:31

Do remember that you can use /back.

04:35

Keepinv is configured, though. As of now. (edited)

I don't have desktop rn

You have a laptop with minecraft on it, though, and have never had a desktop, sooo?

How well do you think a laptop with 8GB of memory and an A4-5xxxM APU could run the modpack?

16:18

Asking for a friend.

Well, you should be okay for RAM, probably not so for the CPU/GPU.

16:20

The best way to know is to try it, though.

woo V:

16:20

Is Minecraft still portable? I don't have admin since it's a loaner.

I think so. MultiMC at least runs fine as my user.

Was hoping I could use a persistent *buntu drive while I was using it, but the wireless drivers don't play nice with Linux.

16:22

Ugh. This loaner hasn't Java installed.

16:22

Oh well, there goes that idea.

wireless drivers don't play nice with anyone

hey, I'll have you know the Killer card on carbonfibre works fine

Just because you won your fight with wireless drivers doesn't mean any other wireless drivers will respect you (or anyone else) any more.

USB wireless things have worked, in my experience.

17:32

Even an ancient 802.11g Netgear one.

Was that my one?

I feel that what NuclearCraft really needs is the feature that - if you try to assemble the neptunium or polonium you recover in fuel reprocessing into full-sized blocks for ease of storage - blows up your crafting table and everything else for a half-km around.

:trollface:

Edumacational, don'ch'know.

To be fair, if radiation is turned on, you would die of acute radiation poisoning.

18:36

And then you'd drop the blocks and irradiate that chunk to complete uninhabitability.

18:36

And then the radiation would spread to nearby chunks.

All that in five minutes?

Pretty much, yeah.

note to self: do not turn radiation on

Unless you grab some heavy duty rad-shielded armor, some radaway, and dispose of the offending blocks in a nullifier :V

18:40

Even then the area would be pretty hostile for a while.

note to self: turn radiation on

that's the attitude

...radiation is off by default? Welp, no wonder I've been getting away with shit.

18:43

turns radiation on

>dies

has been wearing a hazmat suit

are there shielded containers?

Pretty sure you can transport them reasonably safely in a ME storage cell V:

18:53

But I don't think there are shielded containers, no.

It looks like there's shielding on blocks, given the errors I've read from my logs.

18:54

So you could surround your storage/processing facility in lead blocks.

deep underground

Very deep underground.

Actually there isn't.

10:54

The only way to reduce radiation is to not emit it or use scrubbers. You can protect yourself with armour though.

How do 'radiation scrubbers' work, exactly?

You feed them RF and they reduce radiation in the chunk 25%.

I wish we had something like that irl

Anyone but TNH and myself playing on the server with any kind of regularity?

A question: Why is there no tough alloy block?

Saltire shall return

I was thinking we could do something a little different either this or next revision :V

14:02

(revision = map reset for w/e reason)

Such as?

14:05

@Unknown NO SALTÏRE.

14:07

I can't do anything which requires actual access to the game until Friday but I do have SSH access.

I want to be playing Minecraft, but im on vacation for the next 3 weeks XD

It is spelt "Salt-eye-er" (edited)

14:28

~~Cursed warship/turtle removers~~ (edited)

14:30

Saltire Börk: warship warship, turtle turtle, progress progress.

No.

@gollark Had to go to class right after I said that, but I propose a formal coop/PvP mode.

14:45

Possibly with guns if you wanna add that :V

14:46

You can either go solo faction or coop with other players.

14:46

Alliances and wars will be a thing, of course :V

you need more people for a war

turtles would like to humbly disagree with you

19:50

as well as TNT cannons :V

cover the sky with OC drones

Encountered my first ever naturally spawned CofH blaze-alikes.

23:35

Thanks to TNH, we now have syringes of blitz and basalz essence.

23:36

With some luck we might even find a blizz at some point.

23:37

(no idea what it will take to spawn the things, but that's not the important part)

I just saw war and now I'm back here.

I would kind of like some sort of PvP thing eventually, could be fun.

10:05

Maybe in the late endgame we can do that with the stupidly OP combat stuff there is.

I've also been looking into Minetest, a FOSS moddable Minecraft alternative, but honestly compared to MC itself it just seems bad.

I remember playing Minetest way back in the day :V

16:18

How's it looking now?

I tried that one way back when I had my Ubuntu box.

16:18

It was pretty bad then.

yeh :V

Would be interesting to see how it's grown.

I mean, it's a lot better technically (unlimited or at least much better world height, not Java, moddable), but the content is lacking.

What lang/API?

16:19

damn, it's five major releases in

C++ or something with Lua modding.

ooh I've been wanting to properly learn Lua for other things

16:21

If it's C++ it'll already be vastly superior to MC in terms of performance, so long as it wasn't written by a gibbon.

It's not exactly Java's fault Minecraft is slow.

16:22

It's been getting worse version by version.

True, but Java doesn't help.

It's always Java's fault.

as the feature creep factor of Minecraft approaches infinity, so does its RAM consumption (edited)

16:23

V:

Everything. I mean, climate change, ocean pollution, blood diamonds, the common cold, death ...

16:24

Java.

I mean, I've ported simple applications from C# to C and seen order of magnitude improvements.

Java is installed on more than three billion devices.

I don't think Java is significantly faster than C# in most usecases?

...wait, that doesn't leave anything left to be PHP's fault.

C# is probably faster V:

...or Oracle's.

<dwmagus> saying java is great because it works on all systems is like saying anal sex is great because it works on all genders.

2

Half of problems are Java's. Half are PHP's. 0.00000004% are JavaScript's.

16:25

It doesn't actually have integers.

okay let's see if I remember how to write Java

write like it's C#

16:26

and then throw the source in a blender

16:26

or have an aneurysm halfway through, that works too

Write like it's C# 2.0, to be specific.

In JS, numbers are 64-bit floats, with no ability to have integers, smaller floats or bigger floats with native operator support.

[shudder]

oh javac you want me to enforce classname-filename consistency

16:27

so be it

I abuse integer division on a regular basis, so that is particularly unsettling for me.

% mv hello.java HelloWorld.java

16:28

thank $DEITY it compiled

16:28

guess what?

16:28

it doesn't run

16:28

because Java is stupid

headscratching

I wonder if there's a Java→JS compiler.

probably

16:29

There's a JS interpreter in JS

Maybe compile the JVM to WebAssembly then use that. Hmm.

I've wondered this on a fairly regular basis, but:

16:30

Does anyone actually like Java?

WebAssembly abuse is fun. Just today I read about Mozilla using it to compile a Python interpreter to JS.

CollegeBoard adores Java.

16:31

Which speaks volumes as to its actual technical competence and retardation :V (edited)

Probably. Some people like OOP far too much. Some just think it's an industry standard and therefore important.

I mean, C# implements OOP in a way that doesn't make me want to murder the person next to me :V (edited)

16:32

anyways:

Functional programming forever! Try F#, it has decent OOP interop!

tnh@carbonfibre ~ $ time java Main
Hello world!
real    0m0.084s
user    0m0.069s
sys    0m0.019s
tnh@carbonfibre ~ $ time mono hello.exe 
Hello world!
real    0m0.024s
user    0m0.016s
sys    0m0.008s

I haven't tried functional programming.

@0111narwhalz ^^

well there ya go I guess :V

Beat this.

Try porting one of your Project Euler submissions over to test actual math.

you do that—I've written them basically all in C

If you like C, try Rust, it has nice memory management.

~~malloc() or GTFO~~

16:34

It does look interesting, I should try it out.

I've poked around with C but haven't really written anything substantial in it alone.

16:34

Just ported C# programs over to it for ‼performance‼

I can write a hello world in it.

I've written a (currently pseudoscientific) star generator in it :V

I also made a C-based esolang as a joke because someone insisted compiled languages were faster.

(still need to figure out how to fit ~10k points to a curve)

I have a scheme for an esolang that's literally just C but it uses the wrong brackets.

16:35

(it's not a very good scheme)

Mine is C but compiled with optimizations turned off and busy loops inserted.

16:36

There's a JIT compiler, which is stupidly designed too.

void main)char* args( } */…/* {

oi

16:37

int main[…], if you please

16:37

:V

DEATH TO VOID MAIN.

←obviously hasn't done anything important in C

void** main(char* argd, long long argc) (edited)

ooh I wonder if I could make my Project Euler solutions output their solution directly instead of shoving it in stdout

16:38

as a return value

Exit codes go to 255.

darn

also nonzero exit code = you done fucked up

I know that's not right but I find the idea amusing :V

Among my collection of personally-written maliceware is the C library designed to crash horribly if main() returned anything other than int. "Undefined behavior, motherforker! That means if I want, I can make it delete all your files and dance the bolero!"

How would you return non-integer values?

16:39

That makes no sense :V

Lax compilers.

16:39

Void main got popular, so they just allow it.

shakes fist

(Other fine products include the web server plugin to return 404 to any requests for the root URL that failed to include the trailing slash.)

my programs don't need to end for anything but completion or runtime exceptions so I don't really care about return value

16:41

Either it works or it coughs up blood all over stdout anyway.

Basically, my WHY JIT compiler sticks your actual code into a skeleton with the busy loop, then embeds that into a shell script which writes a C compiler (embedded at the end of the script using a bizarre quirk of shell scripts where you can just stick anything in after an exit and it won't care) to a temporary file, writes the skeletoned code into another one from a heredoc, executes the C compiler temporary file with the code temporary file as input (it outputs to another temporary file), executes the result, and exits with the return code. (edited)

16:41

All in less than two kilobytes of Python! I think!

that sounds sadistically amusing

https://xkcd.com/763 (edited)

xkcd: Workaround

Hmm, it seems to be >2KB.

16:43

https://esolangs.org/wiki/WHY

WHY

site title relatable

My other contribution to esolangs is Embedded HQ9+.

"below I would like to prevent WHYJIT" if only you'd been successful in preventing it

Oops. Typo.

I like it as it is :V

Maybe in should keep it, yes.

seconded

It even has custom "optimization" levels.

Anyways, on the subject of Minetest: It looks like it might be a worthy game now.

okay looking at the mods section I have discovered one called Advanced Trains

17:52

which looks like it has the potential for spaghet madness

More so than Railcraft?

(this is Minetest, by the way)

...ah. Never mind.

Well, it has rails that can turn 30°.

17:56

From the screenshots it looks like the game also handles slabs in a slightly less dumb way? But that's hard to ascertain.

17:58

There seems to be one, and only one, industrial mod with power and stuff, called Technic.

Its recipes look suspiciously IC2-flavored V:

18:04

content database has tags but you can't click them

18:06

There're other industrial mods if you look on the content DB.

I know, who thought that was a good idea?!

Someone who was wrong

Or just forgot to. I hope.

a minetest server could potentially be interesting :V

18:11

Are there PvP-friendly mods?

there's a gun mod, if that helps :V

sold

18:15

It's probably not as elegant as Minecraft actual, but the entry barrier is much lower :V

It might run on things with fewer than a terabyte of RAM and 6 cores, which is good.

inb4 channel rename to #mine*

so just installed Minetest to try it out

21:26

and holy shit it loads instantly

21:31

It feels a little floaty.

…ceiling torches‽

22:26

huh, there's no light gray

←is actually stupid

13:50

←put mending moss on a petramor tool

I have never found petramor to actually work well.

13:50

Especially since in MC your pickaxe is effectively a multitool.

Yeah, I looked it up and apparently it's a one in ten chance to restore five durability.

13:54

What even is the point? :V

I would generally do something slightly ridiculous like just repair it manually every few days, or emboss a wood part.

13:54

Wood gives it completely free but slow self-repair.

Yeah.

Yeah, wood is nice for earlygame self-repair.

13:55

Mending moss is great once you have the means to craft it, though.

And arguably for later-game stuff like axes you won't use much.

I'm still using a stone hatchet V:

dude at least use flint

I like to make all of my tools with weird unique configurations which kind of make sense for no good reason.

Is it noticeably better?

13:56

I might do flint :V

Yeah, durability is substantially higher.

ah okay

13:56

Only my weapons and pick have some sort of unique configuration :V

If you use a flint head, you may have problems.

13:57

Since flint is slightly hard to get.

Others are just generic wooden handle and whatever cheap stuff for the head.

Versus stone, I mean.

13:57

Every time I make a tool, I end up reading half of the materials bit of Materials & You for some reason.

flint is just 3 gravel :V

13:58

And gravel is just cobble in the pulveriser.

Which is very slightly more annoying than cobble!¬

My pickaxe has a hard carbon head.

13:58

Because I found some diamonds in loot.

I normally try and go stone → steel/obsidian → cobalt.

(and a tough alloy handle)

I had an electrum pick during Revision 1, but the durability left something to be desired :V

13:59

Especially because I can't spam diamonds out the wazoo to boost it now. (edited)

I think electrum is neat, but it's maybe not great for picks.

14:00

Worked real well for my crossbow though.

Maybe as an auxiliary part on swords...

14:00

I'd never use a crossbow, since Plethora has lasers, and TiC has shurikens.

hmm

14:01

shuriken w/ mending moss sounds like it could be a blast

Or just stupid, stupid amounts of Unbreakable.

hm

Er, Unbreaking, the obsidian modifier, whatever.

Do traits stack?

No, but on shurikens you get the head/extra traits from everything, I think.

14:02

Actually, yes, they do.

hm

I mean the modifier, though.

14:02

Reinforced, that's it.

Auxiliary tools upgraded to flint :V

Two ardite components would bring the petramor up to break-even.

To be honest, 1.5x isn't what I'd call "substantial" but it's nice nonetheless.

Break-even if you only mine stone.

1.5x is definitely substantial

5 Reinforceds and your tool takes no damage at all ever. Manyullyn blades + embossed paper gives you 6 modifiers, so use one for sharpness or something and you can do something like 7 damage per shot.

pff, yeh, 1.5x stone's base 132

Can you emboss multiple distinct components?

Nope!

14:04

One embossment per tool.

darn

With a kinetic augment, you can make turtles fire shurikens. But with no control over direction (they go straight in the direction it's pointing).

14:04

In constant unending streams of lagginess.

If you don't have the ammo stack in your inventory, can you still pick projectiles up?

Don't think so.

In the mods-worth-looking-at list - although it's a worldgen mod, so of limited use to you now - take a look at Worley's Caves, if you haven't already.

16:09

https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/worleys-caves

Worley's Caves

A complete cave generation overhaul with Worley noise

16:09

Makes cavern systems and mining much, much more interesting.

Cool, though I find caving kind of scary.

"interesting" caves

Bigger, ridiculously branching ones.

"elytra cave-diving" sold

If only MC had cubic chunks...

16:10

There is actually a cubic chunks mod for infinite world height, but I didn't install it for compatibility reasons.

Yeah. I have tried it, but it breaks more or less everything.

elytra can only glide right, not fly?

Yep!

Mojang ought to make updrafts/downdrafts to make flight a tad more prolonged

They did, I think.

But jetpack spelunkery.

On Switchcraft (1.12 computercraft server) people have kind of hacked in flight via the kinetic augment.

16:14

The latest versions of this even have some flight overlays, it's very cool.

As it is even jumping from a mountain makes you land back on the ground in about a minute

16:15

It doesn't last long enough to let you really absorb the feeling of flight

With kinetic augment (maybe psi on my server) boosts you can get infinite flight at crazy speeds.

16:15

Also, constant deaths from kinetic energy.

Well, you can fly with firework rockets :V

not until 1.14

falsehood

when does 1.14 come out anyway

I remember doing it on a 12.2/13 server.

16:17

(don't remember which)

Yep, you can use fireworks and have been able to since elytræ were introduced.

You can also shoot yourself in the arse with a punch bow.

So, having played Minetest for a little while today, I've come to the conclusion that it just doesn't feel quite right somehow.

20:27

I think most of it's in the UI, though?

20:28

Maybe my install is misconfigured, but there's text clipping all over the place.

you wanna hop on the server in a bit? :V

if "in a bit" = "like thirty seconds"

20:29

yes

20:29

However, for its UI flaws, it runs very well.

20:30

Uses only about as much memory as each of my browser threads, and for the most part only a small amount of CPU.

@0111narwhalz sorry mate, session error

21:30

relogging :V

:V

so what's this Minetest stuff?

FLOSS voxel game

It's technically better than Minecraft itself (apart from the limited world size, I guess), but somehow lacking.

eh, sixty kilometers isn't limiting unless you're getting real crazy

05:10

The main problem I see with it is the UI.

05:10

There's Factorio, which is meticulously engineered and crisp and responsive.

05:11

Then there's Minecraft, which is pretty middle-of the road.

05:11

It's not perfect, but it works well and everyone pretty much groks it.

05:11

And then there's Minetest.

05:12

Ugly, huge, text clipping and apparently zero line flow control, and clunky.

05:13

Wpnder if there's a mod for that V:

05:15

It's like a game shipped with the default Unity IMGui

I want a mod where you can actually do this, somehow.

If you had orthographic projection and very careful placement of orphaned source blocks, you could pull it off.

@0111narwhalz you playing Minecraft?

not right now no

will you be soon(tm)?

16:15

guess not

16:15

:V

ehh, just ping me when you get on @0111narwhalz

@gollark Update to Thermal Logi—just say the word when you want to update the server.

18:10

also @TotallyNotHuman I'm joining the server, but you'll probably figure that out momentarily anyway

ACK (edited)

so can mobs see through clear glass?

23:20

@TotallyNotHuman Did you make any of stab/centrifuge/encaptulator?

yes in my inventory V:

could you drop those off please

I'm mining (in Elite), will return to Minecraft once my hold's full. (edited)

ACK

how big is your hold :V

300 tons but I decided to end the run early at 138t

V:

will sell and then log into Minecraft

@0111narwhalz transbooting

hey just a note for the future

00:09

please don't log off with the wrench :V

is it really that hard to make another wrench?

it's not but I had the communal wrench

I don't want to have a rack full of wrenches :V

00:11

"where's the 10mm socket?"

It's bad enough that IC2 and TE wrenches aren't interchangeable :V

and IC2 wrenches have durability

shudders

@0111narwhalz

Steam/Magmatic Dynamo testing (Hardened)

Used 1 bucket of blazing pyrotheum and minimum amount of coolant.

Unaugmented: 2.00M RF @ 60 RF/t
Isentropic Reservoir: 3.00M RF @ 240 RF/t, 1:1 pyrotheum:cryotheum
Boiler Conversion: 2.40M RF @ 240 RF/t, 1:4.8 pyrotheum:water

01:49

The boiler thing is probably just a sidegrade at best, and only really an upgrade if you don't want to burn cryotheum.

01:49

But isentropic is still better :V

01:49

anyways I'm off as well

:V

I dunno what the powergen is with water as coolant in isentropic, but it'd probably be similar :V

cryo is better coolant for sure

Isentropic with water doubles it!

https://stats.osmarks.tk I now have a nice monitoring dashboard up for the server so you can see just how awfully inefficient Minecraft is.

Get control of your Linux Servers. Simple. Effective. Awesome.

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ooh, that's really neat

12:17

bloody hell that's a lot of used RAM though

12:17

shakes fist at Java

You can also see giant CPU spikes from GCing.

You should come play :V

Oh, are you on?

We've got a magmatic dynamo on pyrotheum as our main power source :V

That explains the CPU spike.

not quite yet

How do you make pyrotheum reliably?

Narwhalz silktouch'd a blaze spawner.

... you can do that?

yes

Anyway, I probably would join, but factorio.

Apostheosis (or however the bloody hell you spell that) is a great drug.

12:21

Ah, yes, factorio.

I'm messing around a bit on a multiplayer game.

@0111narwhalz So the boiler/turbine thing is probably most noticeable on steam dynamæ.

I will probably join eventually, this seems cool.

One block of coal coke produces 400k RF normally, but produces close to 920k in the boiler→turbine setup.

12:40

I'm still doing some testing with the isentropic reservoir thing, but will hop on soon™.

12:46

new results are in

Water coolant: 2.30M RF @ 240 RF/t, 1:9.2b pyrotheum:water
Cryocoolant: 3.00M RF @ 240 RF/t, 1:1b pyrotheum:cryotheum

12:46

so I guess the boiler is still more efficient

12:47

Guess I'll do that upgrade then.

Boilers are awesome powe sources

12:49

Low or high pressure?

not Railcraft boiler

12:49

boiler augment on TE dynamos

Ah

although I am curious about Railcraft powergen off TE-boiled steam

Ought to work.

12:51

It won't spin up and down as easily, though.

If we have a heavy baseline load we could use that for the steady load and TE dynamos for dynamic loads.

12:53

Or just real big batteries.

[UUM intensifies]

The server has RFTools Power for all your needlessly big battery, er, needs.

@0111narwhalz also we're out of redstone so if you don't mind I'll just sandflux all the redstone we have

yeah that's the correct redstone ore process

yeah but you wanted to tectonify it to get cinnabar

nah

that's why I asked

12:56

okay

Transpose cinnabar ore.

@gollark Hey could you add Redstone Arsenal and the mod that makes TC play nice with Thermal?

There are loads of integration mods. I don't like their balance choices. Redstone Arsenal, sure.

I don't remember what the latter is but you can make tools with signalum etc. with it.

17:40

Maybe Construct's Armory as well since RSA is pretty infeasible for midgame? :V

Pfft, who needs armor.

17:41

You could try botania or psi armor.

right :V

17:41

Hmm, RSA seems to be pretty expensive compared to IC2 armor/tools though.

With the magic of quarries, you can ignore all material costs!

(also maybe SimplyJetpacks so we don't need bloody iridium to mount them V:)

I started Minecraft back up, RAM use warnings again, yay.

woo

It uses about forty times more RAM than every other piece of software I run!

Yea or nay on the simplyjetpacks thing?

I'll put it down as "probably".

(feel you on the RAM hog though)

I mean, ECC DDR3 isn't too expensive now, but it's annoying...

17:46

It's times like these when I wish technically better voxel games had actually taken off.

ugh, ECC?

Yep, it's an old enterprise server.

The one hosting the Minecraft server?

Yep!

17:47

It would actually be more expensive, even counting the difference in power costs, to build a new server with modern hardware.

17:47

Although what was "high-end server" specs eight years ago is now "mid-low-end desktop".

[Moore's Law intensifies]

17:48

At least you can still get DDR3 ECC :V

Moore's Law is about transistors per chip, and I think is mostly dead now.

17:48

Higher core counts weren't really even around until 2017 when AMD actually started competing and made Intel do things.

17:48

(more than 4 cores on the mainstream desktop socket)

17:50

Anyway, on the subject of voxel games, I've seen interesting researchy implementations based on sparse octrees, which seem pretty good for compressing worlds, if not processing them more efficiently.

RE: TiC/Thermal integration, it lets you use pyrotheum as smeltery fuel as well.

17:50

(because ironically pyrotheum is less tedious to obtain than lava)

Lava's not tedious, just a bit expensive or annoying.

It kind of is because it's a trip to the mineshaft where I uncovered like 3 lava lakes :V

17:51

Annoying is probably the more appropriate term though.

A U T O M A T I O N

yes well when you have an Arguably Better Fuel™ :V

@0111narwhalz great time for you to come on; I was just signing off V:

not logging on to the server tonight anyway :V

A brief changelog of the factory: infuser upgraded, added wireless charging made a bunch of cryo and cinnabar made a bunch of iron/nickel hooked up spawner XP to transposer

01:04

and sleep \o

\o

Are there any minecraft servers that involve either transhumanism or mutations?

There is a Cyberware mod...

05:00

@Unknown https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/roboticparts

Robotic Parts

Unofficial 1.12.2 port of Cyberware by Flaxbeard

there's a mod that lets you slowly acquire DNA from enemies and use it to enhance yourself

I kind of remember that...

05:02

No idea if it's updated.

http://ag.teamdna.de/wiki/ Not sure what version of MC you're using

Advanced Genetics - Wiki

The Offical-Site of TeamDNA

05:05

https://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-mods/2791997-genetics-reborn-a-complete-re-make-of-advanced and it has an update

Genetics Reborn, a complete re-make of Advanced Genetics! - Minecr...

This is an unofficial re-make of the Advanced Genetics mod from 1.7.10 by TeamDNA. This was made from scratch and no code was taken from the original mod. ...

No, I said server

Well, I don't know of any, I guess I could add Robotic Parts/Cyberware at least.

05:23

We run 1.12.

if you look at the second page they have a link to modpacks that use it, check the modpack page for servers that fit your needs

There are few modded servers around, possibly as they're such a headache to run.

most do private servers, with some that have small monthly subscriptions to cover hosting cost

Oh lord. If CoFH ever implement a way to get primal mana it better be balanced bloody well.

12:06

Thing can turn lead blocks into gold upon contact.

Oh, wow.

Wait a minute

12:08

Primal mana is capable of nuclear fission?

Or just adding protons.

12:08

And neutrons.

No, gold's lighter than lead

Oh, right. Adding neutrons, then, which would make it unstable, should also work.

Modded Minecraft: because who needs free RAM? (netdata gave me another low RAM alert)

There are no prizes given in heaven for unused cycles or RAM

Any modern CPU, at least, will automatically downclock to save power. RAM not so much, but the very high RAM use is making me wary of it OOMing.

speaking of which...

16:43

@gollark Server closed and now showing as "old vanilla" acc'd to Minecraft.

16:44

nevermind, it's back

Oh, didn't know you were on.

16:44

I was restarting it.

I wasn't, I disconnected and tried to rejoin.

16:45

Would've been awkward if I was on :V

...got to love the elegant design of a system whose response to memory drought is to randomly pick a process and shoot it in the head.

It's already sent a lot of stuff to swap, and nothing actually got OOMkilled.

16:47

Also, it's not random.

16:47

Maybe a better way would be to have SIGCOLLECT or something, which politely asks processes to run garbage collection.

16:47

(or do something else to save RAM)

That would be somewhat of a nightmare, since some languages don't have GC or do it in different ways :V

They could also dump caches or something, or deallocate buffers which aren't entirely needed, or ignore it.

Defrag the heap and shrink it.

I'm hoping to move the server to a newer platform eventually, since it turns out regular non-ECC DDR4 is significantly cheaper than ECC DDR3 now, plus lower power usage, and you can get decent amounts of cores without dipping into enterprise hardware now.

@0111narwhalz I can send you the specific augments/tiers of the oreproc-relevant machines :V

23:21

Which ones do you want?

dunno yet

23:22

that's why I'm drafting it

@0111narwhalz ME drive online

ooh nice

@0111narwhalz all items imported

nice

There's now a chest for equipment and loot, since I haven't made 4k units yet.

23:46

and I'm off \o

Equipment doesn't belong in AE systems

23:53

like

23:53

ever :V

Except lategame where you can waste it.

10:28

Do you have autoinscribers?

no because our factory design is somewhat mentally delayed, shall we say

11:04

and I can't expand in any cardinal direction without exposing the factory to the wild :V

Upward!

11:50

Downward!

other gorram platforms

13:01

we've been over this V:

"wasting lead and redstone on fluxducts as well as making it a bloody logistical nightmare" is not a valid solution in my book

we have slime slings

13:21

and loads of lead

Simply enter Tͮ̌̎h͕̆e ͛ͧ̏T̰̗̰h͑̇ͭird̏̈ͤ ̺D͋̏͗im̾ͦeͣ͋̒n̒ͬsͮi̇ͫ̌o͆ͅnͪ̿̑.

I do not deny the abundance of lead V:

13:51

But just because we have so much of it obviously means we should waste them, yes?

because we have so much of it means we can afford to waste it

@gollark Oh yeah, NC patch looking interesting :V

14:02

When will the pack be updated to add RSA (and possibly SimplyJetpacks)?

@0111narwhalz I've extended the current platform V:

15:01

Will have to make more for future expansions, though.

15:01

also I'm going to start burning Thaum ambers for fuel since they're worth like 200k :V

they're what

15:01

:V

they are worth 200k RF in a numismatic dynamo with lapidary calibration

15:01

:V

15:02

Also we're out of redstone.

Oh, by the way—totally need loads of ender pearls for the oreproc

riiiiiiiiight :V

Unless you want extra machines :V

okay describe your ender-infused workflow then

15:03

and the sans-pearl flow

Pearls: Crafters on the machines to make stuff as needed, with either requesters on an output volume or a terminal to produce metals, et cetera on demand.

ah, crafters

!Pearls: Filters on machines, relying on internal buffers and backstuffing. May waste huge amounts of materials on filling said buffers. Also might deadlock under certain conditions, if the servos backstuff in the wrong way.

neat

15:05

crafters it is

15:06

how many do you need, again...?

Does Apotheosis have some thing for changing spawner spawns so you can spawn endermen in a spawner?

You need spawn eggs.

Which you can get out of a spawner, but then you have a little bootstrap problem.

We also need to look towards sustainable power.

So otherwise, we need to get into the End.

The tree setup is pretty good.

Pyrotheum, despite being abundant, is not sustainable.

Or you can use a single solar panel.

We need redstone and we have sulfur deficits.

Not sustainable how? What's the nonrenewable cost?

15:07

Oh, redstone, right. Sulfur is free.

We could set up a giant vanilla mob farm.

Witches drop redstone, right.

Get huge amounts of things we don't need V:

You can just nullify them, it's fine.

15:09

Or send the excesses to other useful processes.

They do, but it's 40% for two redstone dust.

15:09

Also witch spawners don't exist :V

Yes, but giant rooms of mobs do!

1. rare natural spawn

15:09

2. witch huts

or we could do treeoil

15:09

now that we have nickel to make a fractionating still

sure

Or my crazy weird phytogenic insolation setup, it produces loads of fuel byproducts!

How do you mass-produce slag?

I'll head back to the taiga to nick a spruce sapling soon™ and extract resin from that.

The induction smelter has a sand + 2 cobble → slag + 2 stone brick recipe.

oh neat

Niter is easy, pulverize sandstone.

I also want to use crafters to improve the pyrotheum process.

You're not automating it?

15:12

* haven't

Oh, it's automated.

15:12

It's just busy filling the seqfab with blaze powder.

Ah.

15:13

There's a Pattern Validation augment which fixes that.

Does that make it so that it will only take two stacks per reagent?

Think so.

Not eight reserved slots and ten unregulated ones? V:

@0111narwhalz you getting on? :V

probably not for a while?

bah :V

16:10

We're probably going to need to find a way to quarry automatically, since I need redstone :V

How many diamonds do you have?

16:10

For the low price of 4 diamonds, an enderpearl, and much random stuff, you can get an RFTools Quarry™*!

16:10

* note: needs all your RF

half a stack-ish, plus like four in the form of industrial diamonds

16:11

nice

Builder + quarry card, basically.

How much RF does it take?

ALL OF IT.

16:12

3000 RF per block, plus I think some for hardness.

What's its digging speed?

16:12

(in any case that's a lot of RF/t we don't have)

16:12

(might as well go nuclear)

Very fast as long as you can provide power.

16:12

probably 1 per tick tops.

We should definitely go find the stronghold at some point.

16:14

I found the last one with I think 6 casts of ender eyes?

Thank $DEITY the NuclearCraft machines don't use much redst—oh.

16:15

:V

16:15

yeah if you could get on and help manualquarry a bit that'd be appreciated

You can actually triangulate it from 2.

16:15

There are some websites explaining it.

Sure, but there's only so much resolution.

Not if you use the debug UI to get stupidly precise directions!

Tenths of degrees?

Something like that.

16:16

You can at least get the stronghold easily enough.

sure

I think I found a ravine not too far from base, will go see if it's got any redstone.

@0111narwhalz Spoils from that ravine excursion:

nice

I'm decomissioning the pyrotheum plant :V

wah

16:42

:V

18M should be enough as a buffer while I get treeoil online.

@0111narwhalz treeoil online

17:19

didn't even dent the buffer :V

V:

@0111narwhalz you on?

nope

20:20

but I could be

20:20

in like ten minutes

sure :V

huh, I found a sea lantern at the bottom of the ocean

23:05

middle of nowhere

23:05

except maybe where a stronghold's supposed to be

stronghold located

23:25

good news: found the portal room

23:25

bad news: frame's almost empty

23:25

only has one

23:26

other good news: I have five eyes of ender, so I can fill half of the frame

TNH: moved your fluxduct up so that it's not in the gorram walking path

@TotallyNotHuman END PORTAL: ONLINE

@0111narwhalz why the hell is there an additional induction smelter attached above the pyro-concentrator one

14:39

also gib coords of end portal please

for alloying

14:39

uhh shit I don't remember

14:40

it's west northwest

you know alloying is twice as fast in the existing smelter, yes?

like 2500 blocks maybe

14:40

I thought you couldn't alloy in it for some reason :V

you absolutely can :V